Gretchen Wilson talks authenticity and competition in her new show

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That's the way it goes out on the road. You know, you want you think you know everything and you think you know how all this goes and you've got this fine without talking to me or talking to Keith or talking to Blake. You you know everything. Well, then go out there and let's see what you know. And it didn't work out for most of them. >> Do you think there's too many sissies in country music? >> Well, I think some of these kids just got mommy and daddy's money and they they put together a little story that they wish were true. Everybody's always wanted to be a cowboy. I mean, come on. That doesn't mean you get to be one. That man probably thinks I'm psychotic, you know, because I stared at him intensely and saying, "When I think about cheating," and he was probably like, "What is wrong with this girl?" I I swear, honey, I've never met her. Never in my life. >> So funny. >> All right, we're hanging out here with Gretchen Wilson. The Road is the show. >> Uh, it premieres on October 19th. Are you excited? >> I am so excited. This is a little bit different, you know, for me. I'm I'm country music. I'm a I'm a singer and a get bigger. I'm This is a whole new thing, >> dude. This is like Hollywood. >> Big time. Like you >> 13 cameras big time. I had my own producer. >> Wow. Like man, the last time you were in here, we were talking about the voice or I'm sorry, the mass singer. And you were talking about how crazy that was and how they sent you out to Hollywood as a as a secret. This is even more big time. >> This is Well, I mean, lots of differences. First of all, I could show my face. Um, you know, right off the get-go, I got to be me. Uh, yeah, totally different. Um, the last, you know, The Mass Singer was more about um the performances, and this was more about being uniquely me and and giving um these musicians um every bit of expertise that I could muster up. Um, this was I have never been involved any in anything in my career quite as nerve-wracking as what these musicians had to go through on this show. And so there was a lot of expertise I could give them, but there was a lot that they were experiencing that I I had to just sort of put myself in their shoes and imagine what it must feel like. I mean, this is, >> you know, you're getting out there and getting the opportunity of a lifetime to perform in front of some of your idols. Um, but it could be your last night, too, right? So, I mean, that is really that that's that's a lot to to try to settle down, you know. >> Can you can you tell us the story again of how you got the gig, how Blake helped you out? >> So, from what I understand, they they were actually looking into getting a a real tour manager, somebody who actually does this for a living all the time, you know, wrangling the buses and the hotel rooms and the whole nine yards. And that's usually what is on a tour manager's shoulder. It's it the job sucks. They get blamed for everything and everything is their responsibility. And I know this because I've been doing it long enough to know that when anything goes wrong, the first person who's asking is chewed is the tour manager. So luckily because of this being a a production, I didn't have to do uh all of the logistics of that. So my tour mama job, as they ended up calling me, really was more of the uh the hands-on um in the club. I was there for rehearsals. I was there for um discussions and song selections. um just talking to them, you know, after they would do their rehearsal, I would I would go up to the stage and sort of critique um or or just compliment depending on if I saw something that I thought they could do better. If I if there was a vocal stretch that I thought that they might need to reach for. Not that they that they couldn't do it. A lot of them were super talented, but they just had gotten very comfortable in the way that they sang things. And I'm out there with the advantage of seeing the six contestants that are before you. you're going to have to do more if you're going to stay in this race tonight, you know, like. So, I had that advantage and that kind of of of stuff to be able to bring to them. >> Okay. So, like um no names, but if one of the artists on the road like got an attitude with you, how aggressively would you knock that out of >> I did not play with games like that because on the road, you don't you don't have time for that. If somebody gets an attitude, then you've just lost my respect and you just lost any expertise that I have for you. I'm actually not going to speak to you anymore. That's the way it goes out on the road. you know, you want you think you know everything and you think you know how all this goes and you've got this fine without talking to me or talking to Keith or talking to Blake. You you know everything. Well, then go out there and let's see what you know. And it didn't work out for most of them. >> Do you uh have any like good memories of working with Keith in the past? >> So Keith has always been awesome. Um every time I've ever run into him, he's been super friendly. He's I This is definitely was getting to know Keith more than I had in the past. Um Blake I feel like I've just been around. seems like that we just crossed paths in concerts and stuff through the years. So, I almost felt like I knew Blake. Uh, uh, Keith, this was really getting to know him. Um, man, I was really in awe of him, the professionalism and and his, um, he's just so laser focused when it comes to the work and the job and the schedule and the way that he treated these uh, musicians on set. Um, he gave him I mean, he's a super busy man, but he gave him a lot of his time. He gave him a lot of his expertise. even when he didn't have to be there during sound checks, he was there uh helping me out with that sort of thing. He's he's a really incredible dude. I I remember actually saying to him um on set one day, I was like, "And just getting to know you makes kind of makes me want to be a better me. You know, your work ethic is incredible." >> Wow. And well, he was real honest, but not mean like with the contestants. >> No. And I don't think any of us were there. There's no there's no place for that. I I can remember harsh words coming, you know, in my direction in the beginning of my career. And it's I think I've just learned that um you get through to people a lot more with kindness and with a smile and with love. There's a million in one ways that you can say any given statement. And if you'll just take a beat and think about it just for a second before you actually open your mouth, you can find a really a much more constructive way. And I had to learn this, you know, the hard way. Yeah. You know, you've seen my arrest reports. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Good stuff, though. So, you know, um anything that I can do to help to help out a fellow musician, a fellow artist, and um like I said, they're not always going to take that advice, right? >> Um but it it it matters how you how you present the advice as well. >> And yeah, I'm not going to drag you into the Keith tabloids, but obviously he's going through something. Uh but when your friends get drugged through the tabloids, do you get angry? Like >> I think it's unfortunate that when you're in a a career like this that everybody just sort of seems to think that that you're you're you're just wide open. You're supposed to be on display. I mean, everybody in the world has issues, right? I mean, I think the people that ask those sorts of questions might maybe want to turn the question inward and figure out how much that they would like their own personal um stuff being meddled with. You know, I think it's sort of a a ridiculous thing for people to want to know. I get it. You know, we're celebrities and people want to know what we're doing behind closed doors and all the stuff that's going on, but it's really it's an it's an uncomfortable place to be and and that's not it's not what we do for a living. That's not why we're out there on display. And um you wouldn't want you wouldn't want me and asking you about your personal life and um you know, are you married? >> I am. Yeah. No, that's probably good. >> You know what I mean? So, it's like I'm already uncomfortable. We're all We're all out here doing a job and and we're all talented and and we're we're good at the field that we do. And you know, my hopes is that we all just continue to do that. >> That's crazy cuz you flipped it on me and I got one question in and I got uncomfortable. So, and I get I get that now. >> Mhm. >> I'm married. But that's good. >> Well, and if you just said no, I'd have been like, why? Yeah. What's wrong with you? Are you damaged? Yeah. Divorced? Yeah. >> Well, it's weird. It's weird that people want to sing, man. It's weird that people think they have that in and it's like there's there is a point where it's just, you know, it's nuna. >> It's na right nuna business. Uh let's talk about the show. Back to the show. Britney Kellogg. Yeah. >> I've been following her forever cuz she's from uh out west I believe in Portland and stuff and I lived out there and uh >> gorgeous, gorgeous, gorgeous, beautiful human being. >> Mother of three from Arizona out there out west. Um you were a pretty new mom when Redneck Woman came out. I remember you told me a story about your car seat >> getting taken out when you got towed. Um, did you share any advice with Britney? >> So, there was a couple of moms out there on on on the show and on the road and um I could see the pain and the hurt and just the tears and the I mean, one of them was actually still pumping um out on the road. And so, it's it's it was a lot of heartbreak for these moms, but not just the moms, the dads, too. We had some we had some fathers out there that were missing their little ones at home. And and I can remember that. And I remember, you know, I was fortunate enough that I was just like, "Okay, I can't take it anymore. or I'm just going to hire a nanny and bring her on the road and you know and then that lasted until I realized that my daughter didn't have any friends that weren't crew guys. And I was like, okay, my daughter's playing Mario Kart with a guy that used to be a prison guard. I think it's time for her to be think it's time for her to have friends her own size now. But so yeah, I mean I could see all of that and all I could tell him is is you know my my daughter at this stage in her life and it didn't feel like that when she was 12 and 13 and 14, but now she sees me um and respects me as that as that mother who went out there and did all of the things. I didn't have to choose because I knew I was strong enough to do it all. And she sees that in me and my goodness, she is a force to be reckoned But there's only one person in this whole world I'm afraid of and that is my daughter. >> Dude. Okay. So, I should be double afraid cuz that's you're that for me. >> She is. I mean, she is maybe the strongest, smartest, most amazing human being I've ever I mean, she's telling me how to do my taxes and she's 25. So, she's amazing. And so, I did something right there. And at this age, you know, so any of the moms that are out there dealing with a 14-year-old right now going, "Why does she hate me? I don't understand why." it comes back around and at some point they realize that you don't suck as much as they're telling you you suck right now. >> Okay, that's good to know. >> Yes. >> Uh Cody Hibbert, great backstory on the show. Uh battled addiction, was in the Navy. What impressed you most about Cody? >> His strength, his uh his ability to um write his life in in song. There there was a moment and of course I can't get way too deep into cuz I've I was there and I experienced it. Of course I haven't seen it all yet and the way that it got edited, but I was there and experienced it and there was a moment with him on stage that was just water works. I mean I think that's the most impressive part of of all of these musicians is the the writing ability. It took me till I got I was singing for years before I even thought about being a songwriter. And I had to get here and start writing songs to figure out what I sounded like. Well, these kids all came sounding uniquely themselves and they they have uh that little bit of experience as singers and songwriters already to kind of have gotten above the pack just a little bit already. So, it was the the original songs are to die for. They are they will blow people's minds. >> Well, okay. And to what you were saying, how you have to live life to kind of have that experience of the music, >> especially in this industry. Well, so there's a there's a lot of people that have have infiltrated country that maybe haven't like social media influencers that get in really quick. So, I'm going to tee you up real quick. I want to know, does today's country miss that straight up life experience value? >> Some of it does. Um, but I think that's what's refreshing about this show is cuz I was one of those sitting around going, I don't really know what's real anymore. I don't know, you know, if the person that I'm listening to is actually authentic. And that was one of my favorite things about country music was the authenticity. You could usually tell when somebody was standing. What was that old line from uh from the best little house in Texas? Now, come on, Edar Earl. I can tell when somebody's pissing on my boots and telling me it's a rainstorm. >> It's kind of that thing, you know, and and I was like I was like uh you know, that's kind of what's happening here in in country music. I can't really tell anymore. Um, but then I got out there on this TV show and by golly, there is some very authentic, real life stories still being written and it was really refreshing. But I think, yeah, I think I think some of these kids just got mommy and daddy's money and they they put together a little story that they wish were true. Everybody's always wanted to be a cowboy. I mean, come on. That doesn't mean you get to be one, you know? You actually have to know how to saddle up a horse. So, I guess, you know, time will tell. We'll we'll be able to. Country music is not dumb. I mean, we're a lot of things, but we're we're not ignorant. And um we'll be able to see see through see who's really it's it's the it's the test of time that we'll that we'll tell. >> Do you think there's too many sissies in country music? >> Well, I see that more in the on the male side than the female side, actually. Um just it seems like more men are timid nowadays than the women are. And maybe that's just a that's just where we're at in in in our world. But it does seem like women are women are a lot more borous than they used to be. They're just unafraid and and they're they're ready to kick the doors down and and make something happen. And and men seem to be asking, you know, standing around asking for permission. And that that could be just because I mean quite honestly, I'm not afraid to say it. We've we've kind of squashed the male demographic as as a whole anyway, you know? I mean, if I if I had a son, I'd be a little bit afraid right now in today's world. So, I mean, I don't know. Speak up, be a man, flirt, do your thing. >> Let's go. Uh, do you have any favorite current country artists? With that being said, >> I mean, Cojo's probably >> rates way up there for me. Um, he's very authentic, true to who he is. And it's funny is we didn't really um we didn't start out too good. Me and Cody, we had a little show together many years ago. Um, and he was still um, really well known in Texas, but not, you know, as well known as I was. And we had to share a stage and there was little arguments over uh, who was going to get to use the entirety of the stage and stuff. And I can remember it wasn't he and I personally. >> Oh, you guys weren't beefing. It was your people. >> It was our people. And so like I'm not even sure if he's aware of that, but we just we just played a show recently together. And I was so glad that he came out and watched my show and I got to hang out with him and talk to him for a little while and just make sure that he didn't bring it up. So, I don't think he remembers it. Thank goodness because it was like what what ignorant stuff to be fighting over really you know but in when you're when you're first coming up you know that little bit of stage matters things you didn't know things that uh this show is going to this show will actually show you like and that's what's going to be so cool about the show is that you're going to see >> all those little things those little frustrations those little nitpicky things that may not seem important to the regular viewing audience but when you're fighting for that spot when you're looking for that I cannot get cut tonight you Yeah. >> Um, everything matters. >> You think Cojo's got a chance for entertainer of the year, the CAS? >> Absolutely. Absolutely. And And I'm also though, having said that, I've been really proud of the ladies lately, too. >> Okay. So, if you had to pick though, like like Laney Wilson or Cojo, what what do you what would you say? >> Oh, you now that's you're putting me on the spot because I'm quite I'm really not honestly I don't know how I don't know how these things get decided, you know? I mean, everybody would like to say they know how these things get decided and there's the voting and there's this. >> But if if you were going to turn in your vote, like what would you write? >> I I don't know that I could choose between the two of them. >> Okay. >> I think I mean, but in in country music though, that's a pretty that's pretty nice uh male and female to have at the top right there. >> I agree. >> I I mean, >> especially based off what you just told me earlier. I mean, the guy's album was named Leather, you know, like it doesn't get more country than that. >> Yeah, he is. He's the real deal. He's he's awesome. Um, did you ever feel like you were competing with some of the other women in country music back in the day? >> Always. I still am. I mean, I mean, and again, I'll say this. I think in our genre of music, we're the most friendly when it comes to the competitiveness, but we're still competitive. We're still competitors, obviously. You know, it's funny. I I asked Winona that question at uh at the ACM, and she she was like, uh, I don't she said, "I don't feel like I ever competed with any of y'all cuz I always just considered myself a duo." And I hadn't thought of it that way, you know, but I can see how she didn't really see herself as as competing with, you know, the rest of the solo female artists. >> Are there any of them that you don't talk to anymore? >> No. As a matter of fact, there's I'm becoming I'm becoming friends with some of the people in country music that I didn't think liked me. So, yeah. I mean, >> like who? Well, >> other than Cody Johnson, >> I think Kelsey Ballerini and I made friends at the ACM and and it was, you know, afterwards and and and she walked up to me with the like, why don't you like me? And I was like, why why don't you think I like you? You and it's just all this and I don't know who's talking to who, but again, it's like the Cody thing and it was like, who's talking to who to make you think that I like, I don't even know you. >> How could I not like you? I don't know you. and she was and then we just buddied up and sat there and had a cocktail and made friends and and so it really um the last couple of years have been super exciting for me because I'm I'm I was walking around with a chip on my shoulder thinking that I was some kind of an outsider, an outcast, that I was that redneck that nobody really wanted to associate with. And and now, you know, with this resurgence of everything for me, I'm walking through buildings and I'm I'm hearing these younger female artists going, "There she is. Oh my gosh, there she is." And I'm looking behind me. I'm like, "There's who." you know, it's it just feels really awkward, but it but they they do like me and they do appreciate me and so yeah, it's been really eye opening for me. >> Um Allan Jackson just announced his last show ever. >> Yeah. >> Uh we have the date and everything now. Uh can you share any Allen Jackson stories with us? >> Yeah. Um didn't um never really had the opportunity to get really close with the man. I've always respected him. Um I mean he's one of those that when he comes on the radio, you just don't have to switch it. you just don't have to skip, you know, it's just one of those voices. But my my story with Allan is that my first CMA awards. Um I was petrified and I just remember everything just feeling wrong, like I'm not supposed to be here. This wasn't meant for me. This is some kind of a mistake. I, you know, I'm all of those just feelings very much like all of these contestants were probably feeling on their first get up on the stage. And I thought I was going to pass out. And the only thing that went through my head when I stepped up on stage was find a friendly face and lock in on it. And it was Allan. And I and I'm going to tell you something. For about 2 years, I thought to myself, that man probably thinks I'm psychotic. You know, because I stared at him intensely and saying, "When I think about cheating," and he was probably like, "What is wrong with this girl? I I swear, honey, I've never met her. Never in my life." >> So funny. But he was just he was the friendly face that I locked on and and so you know if if you can hear me Allan, thank you for that. Um I really appreciate you getting me through that very first CMA performance. >> Uh what's the wildest number you have in your phone? >> I mean the wildest phone number. >> Yeah, like that we wouldn't expect. >> Oh, well you would expect um how do you say his name? The cooking guy. Guy >> Guy Fieti. Yeah, >> you can get in touch with Guy Fietti. >> I can, but I don't. >> How'd you get his number? What happened? >> Um, when John opened up his restaurant, Redneck Riviera, in Las Vegas. Okay. >> He and I were seated at a table across from each other. Hilarious. Cuz when I first sat down, he didn't know who I was, and he tried to have me removed. >> Really? >> And I told it was one of them drinking nights and I was like, we're going to see who's who here in a minute. Spiky hair. I was like cuz he's my brother and I'm sitting right here. Well, then well then he was like oh I didn't Yeah. So then we made friends you removed it. That's awesome. >> I'll show you spiky hair. >> That's great. Well, what's next for you after the road and the mass singer? Like what do you stick with TV or what what are we doing? >> You know, this is this is a first time show. I I mean, we could all sit here and say it's going to be a massive hit and I can't wait for the next season and all of that, but I was kind of brought in at the very end. Um, and uh, I have no idea what's going to happen with it. You can you can guess with it being a Taylor Sheridan show that it's going to do well. >> Yeah. >> And of what I've seen, it's very unique. It's very different. I think people are going to be hooked instantaneously. Um, but again, nobody knows. I would I would love to see this thing go on. Not only just for my own career because that would be awesome. Um, but also because I think that this is really maybe the best way to break a new artist that I've seen. It's the best model that I've seen. >> Yeah. And I, you know, I hadn't even really thought about that until this moment, but with all of the with all of the um social media fame and and not really knowing what you're getting there, this is something that people are going to be able to actually know this artist and and if they if they're lucky enough to have a career when the show is over, people are going to know they're getting the real deal and that they're getting what they're paying for. Um, and if this were to go on season after season, I think, um, I think we might get some really amazing talent out of it. >> And you would obviously keep signing on. >> I would love to. And we'll have to see. But in the meantime, I'm I've got a great band. We're having so much fun. We're going out there and we're killing it. I love it this year because I'm on that resurgence thing and they're putting me in that early position and it's like, oh, there's only 12 people out there. And then we start and there's, oh, there's,200 people out there. And then third song, there's 12,000 people out there. That's good. So, I mean, it it's been really awesome just to watch that, you know, people are still they're still ready. They're still out there and they still want to hear the music and so we're having a really good time and um I'm I'm in it for the long haul. I'm I'm still here for the party. Here we go. >> Love it. Thank you so much for giving us time. >> Absolutely. Thank you. >> All right, we got Billy Dukes here to talk about that interview we just had with Gretchen. What do you got, man? >> First of all, I want to say the show, The Road. This is a a really good show. Like it's not just a reality TV singing show. And the key to me is that it feels like a documentary. >> Uh there's no host. So you don't get any of that like corny like host stuff. >> Yeah. >> After the break, you know, stuff like that. It's just kind of it we >> weaves in between like the different performances and the biographies and you get to see the judges interact. It feels honest and genuine. So, I love it for that aspect, but I also love it because the artists, like we've tal like talked about with the Gretchen, they're a little older. Most of them have lived some life and that makes it much more relatable. >> Man, they couldn't have picked a better I Blake I agree with him. Couldn't they couldn't have picked a better manager on this show than Gretchen Wilson and and just the fact like when she was like in here a minute ago talking about like uh how someone got fresh with her or something, right? and she freaked out and was like like you no longer like I mean to to break that bridge is there's no other person like it could have been like if they put like Vince Gil in there let's say he wouldn't have gone off and said the things that Gretchen says and does like that's a perfect road manager >> I want to know who it is because that doesn't happen in episode one like no one gives her a lip in episode one in fact I would say Gretchen's role in the first episode is a little subdued you see but she doesn't really interact too heavily with the artists at first. So, I think >> things like what she's talking about like getting into with these different contestants. I think that's all to come. >> Okay. It's going to be so good. Like there are a few people that I'm afraid of, man. And Gretchie Wil is on that list, man. Right up there with Miranda Lambert. So, I mean, I I would love to have her as my road manager if I was an artist, but on the other hand, I would not like it because, you know, she'll just eat you alive. >> Did you uh I mean, she shared a few things that I thought were pretty interesting during this interview. Like, she had a little beef with Cody Johnson that's since been sort of >> leveled out. Didn't know Kelsey Ballerini. Apparently, they didn't think they liked one another and then kind of came to and shared a drink and everything's kind of on the kosher there. But apparently, she's had a few feuds or perceived feuds. >> It sounds like they're on her end. Yeah, it sounds like uh >> a little bit. I wasn't going to say it to her with her in the room. >> I mean, right. Yeah, this is all after post show, man. But yeah, it sounds like it's all kind of on her end and maybe how she perceived people looked at her. I don't know. Or maybe those people really did have a beef with her, but are so scared when they're confronted by the beef that they're like, "No, what?" Like, if I had a beef with Gretch and Wilson behind her back, you know, I was talking trash, >> right? >> And she confronted me. I mean, I would do the same thing. I'd be like, "No, why would I have a beef with you?" And then I'd be like, "Y'all scrub everything I've ever said." You think it was just especially with Kelsey like a a situation of like misreading her body language somewhere along the way like she didn't >> Yeah, >> I think that was probably it, right? Like Kelsey was younger maybe and Gretcha walked by and >> had something on her mind and and being a younger and more mature at the time, maybe she just misread it and it festered in her mind. >> I could see that >> 100%. I could see that. >> Yeah, I could see that. But then, yeah, I don't see a world where Kelsey Valerini would be mad or starting a beef of anybody, let alone Gretchen Wilson. I don't see that. >> No, but I do see a world where she would hold on to a perceived beef and let it kind of >> eat at her a little bit. >> Who? >> Kelsey. I could see Kelsey kind of that drama. And I'm only saying that about her cuz I know other young women that age and that kind of drama kind of lives in your head a little bit longer. Sounds like it lives in Gretchen's head, too. So, you know, >> she didn't forget about it. >> Yeah. >> We like to kind of go a little behind the scenes here with with this um post show. And you know, Gretchen is on this show, The Road with Blake and Keith Urban, and the show is coming out like two weeks after Keith Urban's divorce drama news. If did you feel like you had to get a Keith question in there, like you had to kind of touch that at all? >> Yes, definitely. 100%. But I knew that it couldn't be like to her commenting on the divorce. So, we had to kind of beat around the bush. I would say, you know, I >> I didn't want to put her in that position. Although, >> you know, we almost got there. We got to where we needed to be, you know, but >> I feel like uh if I would have been like, "What is your perception of Nicole Kidman?" She might have either shut down or went nuts. What do you think? >> I think she maybe just would have skipped over it. I don't know that she would have I feel like she's a pro. She would never just kill an interview over a question like that. Okay. >> She'd try to sort of get by it and maybe she would even give you a little bit like I don't want to talk about that or >> or would she have like gone full in and be like, you know, I didn't I never thought they were right together anyway. >> Like I never had that working out. Or would she have dropped a little pellet and been like, you know, some of this stuff when we were taping and pre-show meetings and stuff? Uh, I saw some >> she's a gossip. >> Okay. >> Doesn't seem like a >> I mean, back in back out in the holler, you know, when you're out there in the country, you know, people talk, man. >> That's where the best gossip is. >> Yeah. So, I I'm just saying there could be surely however long this show has been in production, Gretch and Wilson knows something about the Keith divorce that's not public. Surely. >> All right. So, a couple things like one, like I don't think we could figure out like what's the question, the fair question to ask Gretchen. Like there wasn't really one that she would be in a position to answer fairly. So that's but the other thing to your point about her not wanting to gossip is she said she wants to do this for season two three if there is one and she's got to maintain that relationship right with Keith. >> Yeah. >> And Blake and the production team. So she's all on the up and up professional. I think we I think we the only way we might could have got something is if we asked it and I'm probably wrong, but if we asked it in the way of how early how much before September 30th did you know that the divorce was coming >> hanging out with Keith so long? >> I still don't know if she would have answered that, but she might have been like, you know, I seen some things and uh you know, he you know, he wasn't in a good mood. But >> I I'm glad we didn't ask. >> I'm glad we didn't. >> I I felt like we had a good spirit of the interview had a good soul. Like that would have chipped away from the soul >> of the interview. >> You think um do you think Gretchen Wilson's ever ever like uh beat somebody to a pulp where they like died? >> No. >> You don't think she's ever killed? No, I don't think Gretchen Wilson's ever killed a man. I feel like if I would have asked her that, her answer would be like, uh, you don't want to find out the answer or something like that. >> I think she's probably gotten into a fight, um, with someone, but I think it's probably been a a bit. >> I'm just saying. >> Was she fighting at this age in her life? >> No, you're right. No, no, no. But I've been watching Ozarks lately and I'm just saying like I could see uh or Ozark I could see Gretchen Wilson just taking care of somebody, putting them in the land, building a pool over them and calling it a day. Think about your life. Like realistically, when was the last time like you could have had things progressed in a certain way, gotten into a fight with someone? Like you could have ended a phys you could have had a physical confrontation with >> uh probably like 6 months ago. >> Really? >> Yeah. Some guy like thought that I don't know what happened but it was like some road rage where some guy thought I did I don't know. I think he was out of his mind but he got out of his car and was like looking at I I put it in reverse but >> really driving around town. >> Yeah. It was in on memorial. I saw my wife. I was I was going to meet my wife and kids somewhere and I saw them on the same road. So I pulled up trying to get next to him and I finally got next to him and I waved and then like all of a sudden ahead of me there's this guy that's like at the stoplight just pointing at me and yelling. I don't know if I cut him off while I was looking at my wife and I don't know what happened, but this guy was ready to pounce and I could have gotten my ass my kicked, but I didn't. I just backed up. >> You made a good business decision. >> Yeah, I definitely wouldn't have been able to. This guy was a lunatic. >> So, I I think overall here, Gretchen Wilson, she's been in enough. I I think I think she likes us. >> Starting to get that way. >> Yeah. like I don't know if she fully trusts us, but I don't know if she fully trusts any member of the media. >> You're right. Definitely 100%. You know, we've come a long way uh from the first time. And not that anything bad happened, but I mean uh you know, she's definitely opened up more, but I will say that um she's also gone more into the mainstream since we've met her in a backwards way. Like, you know, she's been back on the way up with the mask singer and then with the road. So maybe some of her old media training is coming back. And >> yeah, >> you know, because we interviewed her way before any of that. And like I said, she was pleasant lot. Nothing was wrong with her. But sometimes, you know, you can tell when artists are more open. You know, >> she's got some good positive things to talk about as well, which is nice. >> Yeah. Like she was she's into this TV vibe and I love it. >> Yeah. This is a resurgence I'm on board with. >> Yeah. So more of it hopefully. We got a lot of good stuff coming up on the podcast, including Can I tell them about the special surprise uh podcast? Yeah. Yeah, sure. Okay. So, including we were interviewing Jake Owen about his new album that's coming out and we were going to interview Colt Ford after and Colt Ford crashed the interview with Jake Owen in a great way and they started playing songs together and talking. They even facetimed another country music superstar. I'm not that's all I'll give you. But, uh, we have that coming up. That's going to be a great, uh, podcast episode. So, keep it here and, uh, subscribe and like and give us all the the good stuff. Uh, Taste of Country Nights on demand.