Chris Janson shares why honesty shapes his music and life

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Does anybody tell the truth anymore? Does anybody People No ser No, seriously. People are scared to tell the truth. I don't want things in my life that I'm not a wearing driving or the biggest thing is coveting. I don't want to I I don't have anything in my life anymore that I covet. And if I do, I just basically either give it away or sell it. >> I want to be on your Christmas list. >> Well, thanks, man. Well, you can. You can come over to a Christmas party. I'm sure we'll have one. I want to be very clear. I was never an alcoholic and I've never done a drug ever. Never even smoked pot. Um, I never had a drinking problem. I actually liked to drink before I got married. But but but I just >> All right, we're all hanging out here with Chris Jansen. Man, it's a family affair. >> Well, it should be, man. I was like, dude, you got to let your kid be. It's it's take your your son to work day and I love kids. I wish mine was here. >> I wish mine was still that little to sit on my knee, too, man. >> People say that to me all the time. They're like, "Oh, I remember when my kids were this little." I'm like, "Well, remember them in the good times cuz right now I'm struggling just trying to get out of Walmart. >> You'll be fine, bro. Trust me. When they get just a little bit older and it does I mean, it does not take but a a blink." And >> then that's just uh so sad. >> Yeah. Well, let's start off on a happy note. >> Yeah. >> Me and the beer. >> Big song, man. Uh where have you been out wild and heard it? I >> actually hear it in a lot of towns that we tour in. You know, I don't listen to the radio too much just because as a songwriter and other people will relate to this. You know, you don't you don't want to listen to too many other people's music or you start sounding like that. But I've heard it here and there on the road. Heard in a truck stop the other day which was awesome. Heard in Bass Pro the other day that was even better. Even more awesome being a Bass Pro man. Um love that song. You know people think that songs like Me and a Beer, Good Vibes, Fix a Drink, Buy Me a Boat that like they those are easy to write. Those are actually the hardest songs to write for me. I can write you a poetic justice kind of song that's really heartfelt and all those kind of things. I can write you 10 of those like in now. But I can't write a me and a beer every day. It's almost too fun to, you know, so you got to make it rhyme. You got to get a little scheme behind it. But man, I knew we had something special when we did it. We cut we cut the new Wild Horses album at my cabin in Franklin, Tennessee. And uh we we wrote it, recorded it, produced it all in the same day, every song, and just did it right there in house. Set up a little studio shop, smoked cigars, and just did it the old school way. And and actually a very unique way to the way most people cut records, you know, the traditional, let's write the song, then have somebody tell you can or can't sing it, and then go into a studio and then have it have 20 opinions from people who don't make music tell you how to do it. I didn't I didn't have any of that this time. And and it it was really fun again. And I love that. You know, you, if people don't know, Chris has been sober since what, like 07? >> Yeah. Well, I want to be really clear about that. It's funny. It's funny you say that. I get that a lot. You've been sober since ' 07. I want to be very clear. I was never an alcoholic and I've never done a drug ever. I never even smoked pot. Um, I never had a drinking problem. I actually liked to drink before I got married. But, but but I just But I just >> That's the quote. Let me say I may have said I I just want to be I just want to be clear for the record on video and on on audio. I may have said sober once in my life and and technically yes, but I'll have a drink every now and again, but really the truth was when I became married, I had two bonus kids, which people would call stepkids, and I just didn't want to be the party guy anymore. I went through about a year or two of totally raging and and and doing what every guy does in his young 20s. >> What's the most beers you had at one time? Well, back in the day, >> I think the most was probably on the last date we had before we decided we were going to get serious. I drank 13 Coronas in bottles. That's a lot. In front of Kelly and I was stacking them like a pyramid. It used to be It used to be a different name for the restaurant in downtown Franklin. It was a little Mexican restaurant, but now it's like I don't know. It's something it's some other Route 55 or something now. But she was sitting there. She had her boobs all puffed up and I was like I was like, "She's so hot." And you know, obviously it was vibing, but anyway, I'm not going to say anything dirty, but um but I was stacking those beers up and she literally looked at me and she goes, "Are you going to be okay to are do you have a problem?" No, no, I'm good. You know, it was it was good humor. But man, I just um that runs in my family a little bit through gener gener generationally. And u you know, so that is why I chose not to be a big drinker. But I but I I've I've fooled people along the way somehow. I think just saying like randomly, oh, I don't really drink. I do drink every now and again. It's just it's just very selective. Like if I catch a big fish, there's nothing better than catching a 10 pound bass and cracking a beer with Johnny Morris or whoever it may be. And I'm a big cigar guy. But but the sobriety thing, I just wanted to be clear. There are people out there who really did have to get sober and use the word in a very sobering way. I was not one of those people. >> One of those people we just had in here, a matter of fact, Walker Hayes. Yes. Um you guys share a lot of similarities. Like >> I think he's a fabulous person. >> Okay. Yeah. Tell me more about the relationship you have with Walker. >> I don't know him very well. I don't really have a relationship. However, if he walked in the room right now, we would be hugging it out like we've been seeing each other every single day for the last 10 years. >> Watch this. On paper, like you guys, if there was like a friend stir, like you guys would match. You both like to hunt. Yeah. >> You you both used to drink and you still dabble. You're same age, dads, got all kinds of kids. You love your wives. Like if I put Yeah. If I put you two in a room together, like you guys are going to be sniffing. If you were dogs sniffing each other's butts. >> Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, I mean, I'm I'm Yeah, we're not licking butts. That I can assure you. Okay. Sniffing butts, not licking butts. And uh that's so You're so funny. You thought I was going to say licking butts, didn't you? Um but yeah, I'll just leave that for my own personal devices. But um I ain't I ain't licking no butts. I can promise you. But uh but I will say this about Walker, you know, he took like like we all take hell for songs every now and again. Like there were even people when Buck came I was like this is so cheesy or when I wrote Chuck Yaff from McGra, oh my god it's the worst thing I ever heard. Like people are mean and people pe people are mean because they can't do it themselves is really the truth. I' I've been that guy unfortunately on occasion in the past and you just you know you got to grow up and get over it. Quit being jealous. Um, I know Walker took so much heat there in certain circles, especially in the country music community about, oh, this is not country and all this kind of stuff. That's the most country song on the radio at the time. No offense, it talks about country stuff. I think he actually has a song called Country Stuff, too. But, but like that's a Fancy Like is the one I'm referring to. I don't care who you are. That is a jam, dude. I play that in my pre-show music. I love that song. I thought it was brilliant. I thought it was really good. I loved the song AA that he did. I mean, it's funny. I never probably knew I was a Walker Hayes fan, but I am a Walker Hayes fan. I just I He's a nice guy, you know, and you walk up to him out on the street or something and he acts the way you should, you know, not like a pretentious country star or nothing. And I and I appreciate that. >> As do you, man. >> Thank you. >> Yeah. I I also wanted to You We went through a phase where you were um selling a bunch of your stuff. >> Yeah. >> Are you still in that phase? >> Yep. Still still purging. >> Are do you ever buy anything? Like you seem like kind of guy that would shop on like Facebook Marketplace. >> I do all the time. I have a I have an account on Facebook Marketplace. Obviously doesn't say my name. >> Okay. But when you show up, has anyone ever >> Every time it works to my favor. You usually get a little more money out of somebody for doing it. >> Okay. Give me something that you've bought on Facebook Marketplace where someone was like, "Wait, you're Chris Jansson." >> Well, I don't buy a lot off there. First of all, if I do, I have it delivered and I don't really ever meet anybody. I just have them drop it at the gate or something and I'll leave cash for them. You know, I'm just on the honor system. see how it goes. You know, I bought a guitar like that one time. I bought a Les Paul uh custom shop off of Marketplace one time and the dude brought it up and he had zero clue who I was and didn't care which I loved. But um you know, I once sold the K5 Blazer on Marketplace to a guy who who showed up and he got out of his car and he goes, "Holy exploitative." And um I mean, I'm definitely buying it now. And I was like, "Perfect." you know, if any skepticism was in the was in the mirror, it's in the rear view now. So, that's nice. But, yeah, I do love marketplace and I'm not big on, you know, I have all these social media accounts that that that obviously you got to have for the job that I'm in. But, I don't and I'm active on them, but but only with Kelly. I don't feel comfortable doing social media by myself. I just I just don't want to go down that rabbit hole. But marketplace is something I feel comfortable doing because it's basically the new Craigslist. Yeah. And you know, and I bought when I wrote buy me a boat, most people don't know this, but I bought my my used vehicle, my used uh Yeti cooler. I love your kid, by the way. I bought them both off of Craigslist and I drove him to the co-rite the morning that we wrote buy me a boat and um yeah, I was, you know, so when when that's just a true story, >> dude, that's awesome. >> But yeah, I'm that guy. And I've been purging my stuff still. It's funny. I actually had one guy, a watch dealer, a friend of mine. It's funny to say you have a watch dealer, but like I like high-end watches. I always have. And it was like one of the first things I wanted to get way back in the day. Long story short, he was like, "Are you hurting for money?" And I was like, "No, like quite the contrary. I'm just I'm just still on the path of least resistance. I don't I don't want things in my life that I'm not a wearing driving or the biggest thing is coveting. I don't want to I I don't have anything in my life anymore that I covet. And if I do, I just basically either give it away or sell it. I mean, I gave away a couple Rolexes, sold a couple, you know, during the first purge of things of things that I just had been hoarding in my safes and stuff. I gave a couple as gifts and which were hefty gifts and then I I sold a couple and um yeah, just a oneatch guy these days. I just drive what gets me there. I just don't really care. And I I'm kind of take the Dirks Bentley model with with that. If you ever been around Dirks, he's a lot that way. He's a very simplistic guy and he seems pretty happy. I'm a lot happier. I'm a lot happier personally. That's it. I just like spending time with my kids and wife and hunting and fishing. And >> I want to be on your Christmas list. >> Well, thanks, man. Well, you can you can come over to a Christmas party. I'm sure we'll have one. And you know, it's uh it's and it's better to give than to receive. And uh it's blessed my heart. It really has blessed my heart. But yeah, it's interesting some of the things that I sold during the first purge. Some of the coveted things that like don't look at it, don't touch it, don't drive it, don't scratch it, you know, it loses. all the things that you just you accumulate in your life and then you have to worry about upkeeping it. It's stupid. It's so stupid. Um meanwhile, you you're missing your kids grow. It's it's really it's a waste of time. >> Well, a couple of those things >> I got rid of and biblically speaking here, you know, they say I just, you know, being a Christ follower, I don't know how this lines up with the Bible, but I just know it's a God thing. I got rid of some of that stuff and then some of that stuff made its way back to me and I didn't even have to buy it. It just made its way back to me. >> Oh, >> which is kind of weird in a cool way, but um but yeah, man. I just, you know, I'd rather give it to charity or something. >> Uh the new record is out. What's Kelly's favorite song? >> Wild Horses. >> Okay. >> And it's not because she co-wrote it. We did write it together. Uh but uh we wrote it with our friend Pat Bunch who who passed away two years ago at the ripe old age of 83. And you may say, "Gosh, I can't believe you're with an 83y old woman." But like, dude, people who are older than us, man, they they got the stories and they they they got the I don't give a damn, which is beautiful and something that I've actually walked into myself quite recently, but u maybe more than ever, but we wrote uh Wild Horses with her and it was she called us one time and she said, "Hey, I read an article that said your your live shows are like in so many words like a wild horse that were never meant to be tamed, you know, and unbridled, unfiltered." And I thought that's perfect. And um I wanted it to be the title of the album just because it's sort of a it's in so many ways it's kind of a middle finger to um a person at my last record label who told me they didn't hear it. Didn't sound like a hit. You know, the typical people who who just want you to record what they want to write even though they don't write songs, play songs, sing songs. They don't even really like country music. They just like to tell you how to do it. So, I got my new imprint, Harper 60, that I partnered back with my original label, Warner Brothers. Super happy. They're super happy. Everything's so beautiful. And Wild Horses was like just, you know, it was a big uh it was a big kick in the teeth to anybody who naysayed it cuz people love the song and I love the song. >> What was the biggest like what were some of the little intricate deciding factors for you to go back to your original label? Like were they like, "Hey man, we'll give you a desk." >> No, no, no, no. I didn't ask for anything. I didn't want anything. I just uh I just follow my heart. I just follow my heart really. I pray a lot. I asked God for direction on things. I just didn't feel right where I was. It wasn't It just I just for no other reason, I just didn't feel right in my heart about it. And if I don't feel right in my heart about stuff, I just don't do it anymore. >> I love >> I know. Isn't that funny? >> Donkey Kong. >> Same with you. Um but I love that kid. But um but no, there was it was really just on my heart. There's a lady over there who used to be the head of artist relations and and ANR and picked records and stuff and her name is Chris. And um me and my wife, it's okay. Me and my wife were have been close with her when we were there. And um when I first departed Warner, it was sad for us, you know, we liked working with her. Now she's top of the food chain. And so after I was able to to make these talks happen, um we invited her over and we just talked about it. And I just said the truth. I just you tell the truth. You don't have to lie about anything. I just said, "Hey, look, I feel like I made a mistake leaving. Um, we were having great success together. I'm not in a place where I really have to have it or have it. Either one. I'm could have been different, but I just want to make music over here again. And I'd like to hang my hat here and I'd like to do it." And uh it was just as simple as cool. I think we should do it. I'm I think it's great. So, >> I was really honored. I was really honored honestly because how many times you ever hear of an artist leaving a major record label and then going back to that major record label three years later and also saying, "Oh, by the way, I'd like to have my own imprint so I can keep creative control." And um it was the it was the easiest deal that I've ever had in my tenure of the music business. >> Wow. >> Yeah. So, I'm really grateful for it. I really am. And Harpath 60 um is under the Warner umbrella, but we have our own promotion staff for radio. And so, you know, as much as it is aligned, it's also a two-lane road. Uh which is which is really nice. And me and Kelly have done it just the way we've always done it. We just run this stuff out of the house. We've always done it that way, dude. We've never changed, right? >> We just, you know, at certain times during the during the juncture, >> fortunately or unfortunately. I mean, it works both ways, but you know, sometimes we've just been under the thumb of things that didn't work well for us. But the Wild Horses record I made totally independently at my cabin. I made it before I had a deal structured and and uh felt really good about it. So nobody told me how to do it. Just did it my way. Wrote, recorded, produced it at the cabin. >> Put a record deal together and did it. >> What's the one song on the record that you hope your fans can draw like a lesson from? >> Give a break to the Broken. Uh I'm going to embarrass her again, but I also wrote this one with Kelly one. May I say that she is a fabulous songwriter. Aside of being my wife, she's a really good person and she's a great writer and she's really talented. She's not a musician or a singer, but she's a great lyricist and she has really good ideas. It was her idea. I can't take credit for it. But it was it all started about seeing a waitress at the Waffle House with a black eye and and had been going through a domestic abuse situation and you know just two women venting to each other. You know, Kelly talking with her and this lady talking to her and that's how the idea came together. And so there's a lot of snapshots in there about give a break to the broken. You don't know where people have been or how much the hell they're going through. Um and and that's really the majority of people. So even me like people even now I mean there's things that I'm going through that you know you you wish were a little bit better here and there but everybody is got problems and we mask it so well because society teaches us to mask it. We teach it teaches us to just forget about it and post a picture on social media and pretend that you're happy. And most people are actually miserable because of that, you know, and so Give a break to the broken really puts an emphasis on it. And it's okay. It's very uh positive song, but it's also it could be a little uncomfortable for people because >> does anybody tell the truth anymore? Does anybody people No, ser No, seriously, >> people are as scared to tell the truth. They're they're scared to >> for the most part, especially in mainstream top 40 country, which which I'm thankful to be in, but people just they want the fluff. They want what feels good for three minutes. And this record has a lot more depth than any of my albums. I think just because when I wrote it, I didn't again I not only did I have any restrictions, but I also I didn't really have a game plan. I really didn't. I spoke it into existence. I said, "You know what? I'm going to make this album." I told Kelly this. I told my little inner circle. I said I said, "I'm going to I'm going to make this album and I'm going to get back with Warner and do it." And everyone around me, and I mean everyone, said, "That's not going to happen. There's no way." I mean, how could that happen? Well, you you have a positive attitude and you speak it into existence. And believe me, folks, the American dream is alive and well and it can happen. And um uh so if I seem happy, I am. >> Dude, what was it like working with Jamie Johnson on Hunting Season? >> Great. That's my favorite song on the record. Thank you for bringing it up. >> Okay, >> that's a true story. you know, um, going on two years ago now or a year ago, I guess, technically a year and a half ago, September, I was coming home from an elk hunting trip and a buddy of mine in Florida called and said, "Hey, man. Uh, my brother, you know, Graham passed away." And I was close with both of them, very we're hunting buddies. And would you come down and sing at the funeral? Dad's asking if you come down. So, I did and I went and hugged the father at the at the procession and and he said, "Chris, this is going to be my hardest hunting season." And it's true. And so I went home and I wrote I wrote the song the next week at the cabin and um it was a tribute to a friend that I lost. And I've always wanted to do a duet with Jamie. >> Jaime's in my opinion probably one of the greatest voices and artists of country music of modern times and of the last, you know, 20 years. And um I just texted it to him. I said, "Hey man, just want to get you on this if you would if you'd consider it." You know, and he hit me and and he's a great guy. We have a good friendship. He he hits me back pretty usually right off the bat and um he said, "I'd love to and just send it over and uh and we'll get it done." And then I waited a couple months and I thought, "Well, he forgot about it." But um in Jaime's time, he got it done. And when he did it, it was very eloquent. And I said, he said, "What do you want me to do on?" I said, "I want you to just sing whatever you feel comfortable on." So he took the whole bridge and and did a great job on it. And could not be more grateful, man. you. It's, you know, we've had a we've had good history together. He's joined me on stage a bunch of times and and I have joined him and we've done some Earl Haggard tributes and and some cool things together over the years and uh yeah, he's my favorite artist. So, it was a it was a dream come true for me. >> From uh from someone with a successful marriage like yourself, what what do you want to say about Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce getting engaged? If you do you have a comment on that? >> Yeah, congratulations. I I I think her music is awesome and uh I think she's a fabulous songwriter. I mean, I don't understand anybody who doesn't think that. I mean, she writes a chick who writes her own songs and they're really relatable to guys and girls. So, congratulations. I don't know her and I don't know him and I don't watch football and I don't care at all, but I'm just telling I mean I don't. That's the truth. But, but whatever. I mean, I just, you know, you in a day and time where people are miserable and miserably married for the most part if they're telling the truth. I'm happily married and I hope nothing but the best for her. I hope nothing but the best for everybody. You know, if you're going to get married, it's a commitment and it starts with trust and love and honesty and and friendship. Really, honestly, I'm my wife is my best friend. >> You used to be on the label with Kenny Chesn. U any good Kenny Chesny stories as he gets ready to go in the Hall of Fame? >> Yep. I'm back on the label with Chznney now. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay. That's right. Okay. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's great. So, uh I'm a huge fan of his music. Most people probably don't know that about me, but I'm a I'm a mega Kenny Chzn music fan. I don't know him personally. We've met a few times, but I love his music and and I love it primarily because Casey Beth wrote most of it and I love Casey Bethard, but um yeah, I didn't know he was going into the Hall of Fame. Pretty young to be going into the Hall of Fame. >> You didn't know? I just told you. >> Yeah. >> Whoa. Oh, I want to be living your kind of life, dude. I wish I was unplugged. >> I'm going to be honest with you, man. For as plugged in as I am on so many forms and facets. I'm super unplugged. I'm tell I I told you at the beginning of the interview, I don't listen to other people's music. >> Wow. >> No, it's no offense. People ask me all the time, "What are you listening to? What new artist do you like?" I mean, I like one new artist. His name is Chase Matthew. He's I just I don't even have any idea what he sings. I just like him. He's a nice He's a nice person. >> Um >> it's no offense to Kenny's going into the Hall of Fame. >> Yeah. Yeah, his song Boys of Fall is like my favorite, you know, it reminds me of this time of year. Um, but he's fabulous person, you know. But, uh, I would like to say congratulations, Kenny. I think that I think that if there's any artist who's not old yet, you know, and still viable in today's market, but has been viable for a long time and a sustainable career, that's the kind that I would like to shoot for myself. You know, we've been very successful. I'm thankful for the success. If it if it stopped here, we did really good. I conquered everything I wanted to conquer. But like, you know, if you can go randomly and and sell out the sphere for like however long the Grateful Dead did, then in my book, you're doing it. And he's doing it. And also, you know, back to the the same label home, ironically, you know, he works I'm sure he works with other people, but he he from what I gather, he works pretty handinhand with only select people, which he should, which he should. Um, and the same lady that I mentioned that we're, you know, that runs the label and we're in partnership with, Chris, she works handinhand with Kenny and she works handinhand with us. Very a very hands-on approach, personal, you know, we don't always have to talk about music. So, we have something in common there at least. But, um, man, a huge congratulations. I always say there's two pinnacles in country music that you get or you don't get. Uh, sometimes you get one, sometimes you don't get either, and sometimes you get both. One's the Grand Old Offy membership and one is Country Music Hall of Fame. I've already won. I hope to get the other someday. Um, and I hope that I hope it happens for him, too. Would be great to have him at the offery. >> Well, and finally, um, I got to check in on your friends, man. You just happen to have some famous f I need to check in on. How's The Rock? >> Um, h how's, you know, who's the other one? >> Brett Michaels. >> Brett, how's Brett Michaels? How How are all your buddies doing? >> They're doing great, man. I haven't talked to The Rock in in a few months, but that's not uncharacteristic. We go through spurts where we talk a lot and then we go through spurts where we don't talk at all. >> Same. He just doesn't ever text me back. >> He's I know, right? So, what a guy. But, um, no, he's a he's awesome dude, as I've said before. Uh, but he travels the globe all the time making movies and doing things and he's busy. He's a dad. >> So, when I hear from him, I hit him back and when he hears from me, he hits me back and I just leave it at that. You know, we connect when we connect. We got an Opry appearance we're supposed to be booking, but we just haven't solidified it yet. But we will. >> What's he do going to do with the Opry play? >> We're going to Yeah, we've we've we've made a pack that we're going to he's going to debut on the Opry with me. We're going to do the whole thing. And I don't know when that's going to be, but we've been talking about it for going on two years now, but we will make it happen. We just got to let the stars align a little bit. >> You're the only guy that can call out The Rock right now and not get punched in the face. I envy you for that. >> I told him one time I told him one time we were messing around. I said, "I'll wrestle your ass. Ain't no problem." Um, but but I mean I was I am actually I'm not kidding. I'm serious. But uh but I say that in good light. But I'll tell you, you know, I bring up Brett Michaels and people ask me a lot. You're like, "Who's the most famous person on your phone and all this stuff?" And if you think about it, if you think about Brett Michael's career with being just him and being in Poison, one of the biggest hair metal bands of all time, like pretty pretty famous person. He is so awesome, dude. He is so much cooler than 99% of any other famous person I know. And that's not to trash them. It's just the truth. He's really a common dude. I mean, he would he would sit here for hours and talk with you and drink coffee and just hang out and you know, like he's just normal. I I don't know how to say it. Like the other day I heard from him. We were we were in Los Angeles working and then ironically I get a text from him who I think he lives in California a lot of the time and he was like, "Hey man, just checking in. Want you want you to know I love you my my blood brother. I love you so much. I'm thinking about you and I'm I'm putting together this another show for us to do together." And it was just it just happened to be when I was in California. So that's kind of cool God's timing. But you know I hope he sees this. There's nobody that's more humble that I've ever met than Brett Michaels. And my wife reminds me all the time like in moments where I get stressed out or pissed or they're just mad or don't want to do something, she's like, "Just be Brett Michaels through it." Cuz I've seen that guy be so kind to people. Luke Bryan's the same way. Kind good good people. Good good role models, honestly. Good role models for people. So I I like to try to be that as much as I can, you know? >> I was going to say some people are saying that about you right now, man. We Hey, >> I tr I'm just doing the best I can. Thank you. I'm just doing the investig. I don't know. I I go every dog's got their day, believe me. But but um a guy like Brett, I just can't say enough good things about him, especially being at the level of fame he is. You know, he's like the rock. He can go anywhere and people recognize him. >> Um so it's pretty cool. >> Well, dude, thanks for coming by, man. >> Thank you. >> Appreciate. Love the record, man. >> I really appreciate it, man. This is my favorite album, like I said. And uh for those people out there watching this and hearing this, man, I encourage you to give the Wild Horses album a listen. It's 15 tracks. it won't take you too long. And I really wrote this thing directly from the heart and took some time to do it. You know, I wanted to do it the right way and it was super organic. So, if you like real stories, I wrote them all and you know, the production is not it's not autotuned and all the things that that I even I have been a part of in the past. You know, it's just um it's just raw and organic and and real. It's real and um I hope you enjoy it.